This Modern World has scanned evidence that “Bush was an asshole even in college.” Here seen violating major groundrules of rugby – both feet off the ground during a tackle, tackling above the shoulders, and oh, um, slugging a player hard in the face. “I’m sure by next week Karl Rove will have a collection of rugby players claiming that John Kerry was even worse…”
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Bush cheats at rugby.
Kerry lies about his Viet Nam service (particularly his “Christmas In Cambodia”).
http://www.drudgereport.com/dnc91.htm
Frankly, I find Kerry’s transgression to be worse. *shrug*
Interesting. Grain of salt though: Drudge’s story is based on accusations made in the book “Unfit for Command,” the author of which is making waves for calling Muslims and Catholics “pedophiles” and the Pope “senile.” So take care with sources.
In any case, if the Christmas in Cambodia story does turn out to be a lie, at least it won’t be the kind of lie that kills thousands of innocents.
Not to mention the point that these things are totally apples and oranges.
And “cheating at rugby” isn’t the point — being an ass and punching a player in the face, then going on to become President of the United States of America — is.
I think it is time I came forward with my story.
The incident in the photo did not happen during the match. It actually took place before the match as I was walking from my car to the team bench. He told the leaque officials it was a preemptive strike to eliminate the chance of me obtaining the ball in the future.
Not to mention the point that these things are totally apples and oranges.
And “cheating at rugby” isn’t the point — being an ass and punching a player in the face, then going on to become President of the United States of America — is.
You can say this with a straight face? Come on, Scot. If that isn’t apples and oranges, I don’t know what is.
You did plenty of stuff in your youth that makes you unfit to be a parent today. Would you like Miles removed from your custody based on actions you did in your youth you would not repeat today?
mnep, I agree that we all deserve the right to be forgiven for our pasts. But with the college rugby image, it’s not like “Ooh, he was once a bad boy, good thing he grew up and turned into an OK guy.” It’s more like foreshadowing, the seeds of a truly foul human being.
His entire presidency is that rugby image, writ large.
And like I said, a potential Kerry presidency may reflect the man that lied from the Senate floor.
Rugby fouler.
Congressional liar.
You pick. In November.
Actually, I’m really surprised he had the guts to do something like that. Considering his cravenness concerning Vietnam service, it seems an un-Bush-like bit of action. On a related note, I have a cool mp3 clip of a recent Q&A session with Bush that went awry when he got asked an unscripted question. Now THAT is truly scary considering he’s the president!
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mneptok,
You’ve been brainwashed by the freepers.
You may find this link of interest:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/swift.asp
(or click my name)
The Snopes folks, who have faithfully debunked many urban legends on the web, make the point that the “Swiftboat Veterans for Truth” didn’t actually serve on Kerry’s boat, or served after he’d left the boat. The guys that actually worked for him still support him. Now who is lying, or at the least, mispresenting themselves?
I can understand why some veterans are angry at Kerry. Imagine basically being told that you were fighting in a bad war, and that your leaders had mislead you. Imagine wrestling with your memories of the things you had to do during that war. But I respect Kerry for speaking out against the Vietnam war when he realized it was bad — and remember, at the time, he already harbored political ambitions and realized this might kill his chances!
On the issue of the rugby photo — a foul play in college does not disqualify Bush to be president, and Democrats would be wise not to make too much of this. On the other hand, character is important, and unfortunately, there have been other anecdotes about Bush doing or saying rather mean-sprited things. What is one to conclude?
Finally, I can’t resist pointing out that your defense of Bush seems to come down to “OK, so he’s mean and he cheated, but your guy is worse!” without providing any evidence of the latter. Hardly a ringing endorsement. That speaks volumes in and of itself.
And Bush hasn’t lied to Congress and the American people (er, actually to the entire world) throughout his entire presidency?
http://www.bushwatch.com/bushlies.htm
webmacher,
You have been brainwashed by the two party system. At what point did I ever claim GWB was “my guy?” In what post do you see me actually endorsing Bush?
I think they’re both reprehensible. But I suppose that actual careful consideration of the facts of my posts isn’t necessary. You can just read it for tone and then send in the Army.
Sound familiar?
mnep, Kerry is a bit of a bummer — is he really the best the DNC could come up with? — but reprehensible? That’s pretty extreme, don’t you think?
I mean, look at Bush’s record. He’s one of the most vile personas ever to set foot in the oval office, and his entire presidency has been one of deception, small-mindedness, cronyism, failed promises, manipulation… he’s been a complete and total disaster as president. There are things not to like about Kerry, but when you say “they’re both reprehensible” it makes it sound like they’re somehow on the same plane of existence.
They’re not.
Major news sources are just beginning to pick up the story of Kerry’s helicopter flight over the Grand Canyon. Look for it.
The reoprts say that his wife, multi-millionaire heiress Teresa Heinz-Kerry, told the Senator she did not want to participate. He continued to press here. “You don’t understand vertigo,” she is reported to have said. At which point, the Senator moved to forcibly pull her into the aircraft, forcing Mrs. Heinz-Kerry to grab onto a Secret Service agent.
This from CNN and Fox News (TV).
To ignore your wife’s wishes, her needs and her fears simply because you need a photo opportunity, and to force her to seek the protection of the Secret service is reprehensible. Period.
Sounds messy. I hear they’ve been arguing a lot – campaign stress getting to them. I’ve been searching CNN and Yahoo News for this story and am not turning up anything, so I’m not sure how “major” these news sources are. Heck, I can’t even find it on the foxnews tabloid, or drudge report.
Anyway, if true, I agree it’s pretty nasty behavior. But as I’ve said before, it’s almost impossible to imagine Kerry doing or saying anything that could even remotely approach the stupefying insanity, selfishiness, mean-spiritedness, the deceit, etc. of Bush. Again, Kerry’s no saint, but after what we’ve been through for the past four years, we’d be better off with a single-cell bacterium in office than we would with Bush.
Human beings with any care whatsoever for their fellow man, for the safety of the world, for international relations, for general integrity, for intelligence in world leadership, etc. have a moral obligation to remove Bush from office.
Welp, webmacher said it:
Finally, I can’t resist pointing out that your defense of Bush (swap “Kerry” here for Scot) seems to come down to “OK, so he’s mean and he cheated, but your guy is worse!” without providing any evidence of the latter. Hardly a ringing endorsement. That speaks volumes in and of itself.
I cast my vote for a candidate. Not against the competition.
And if your prime motivator is, “Anyone but Bush,” that may well be what the country gets. For good or ill.
Satire, or truth? You decide.